Ali Saib Efendi
Ali Saib Efendi was born in Istanbul / Dersaadet in AH 1303. Recorded schooling includes 9 years at idadi Mektebi. First work is recorded in Istanbul in AH 1324 (21 AH years after the recorded birth year). The surviving career record covers 2 distinct AH years between 1325 and 1326; it begins with Muhabere Memuru in Yalova (240 kuruş monthly). muhabere memuru appears later, in AH 1326 (240 kuruş monthly). Recorded language competency: Turkish: Kitabet (writing); French: Kitabet (writing); Armenian: Kitabet (writing).
Life and career
2 recorded AH years · 2 annual entries
Life and career stages
Recorded AH years- AH 1303
- AH 1324Birth-year difference: 21 AH years
- AH 1325Birth-year difference: 22 AH years
- AH 1326Birth-year difference: 23 AH years
Each stage retains its recorded place and title. Annual stages group only consecutive years with the same title and place; they do not prove continuous tenure. Birth-year differences compare AH year numbers; they are not exact ages or birthdays.
Assigned salary in the annual career
Monthly kuruş · AH
Muhabere Memuru · yalova · 240 kuruş monthly
First work is separately recorded at AH 1324 in istanbul. The first-salary field is 240 kuruş; it is not a dated point on this curve.
Monthly nominal assigned amounts, not confirmed cash payments. Lines connect consecutive AH years only; hollow points mean salary not recorded. Competing entries in one AH year remain separate points, without a unique pay-change line. Gregorian values elsewhere are stored labels.
Compare all recorded title, place and salary changes
Each comparison uses the preceding surviving entry.
Title Muhabere Memuru → muhabere memuru
A title change is not automatically a promotion; a locality change is not a reconstructed journey.
Places in this record
◆ Birthplace■ First work● Annual recordRing: multiple relations
Every recorded locality remains visible in the key. Hollow markers show candidate coordinates; these are not resolved locations. Overlapping markers are offset for legibility; a small anchor and leader retain the source coordinate. Coastlines provide modern geographic context.
Honours, rank and legal records
Archival reference as recorded: 151-214-423
Collection identified by the thesis dataset: BOA, DH.SAİD, Sicill-i Ahvâl Defterleri, Dahiliye Nezâreti. The archive reference is reproduced as recorded in the coded personnel dataset.
Decoration and legal-record evidence
Decoration wording is not recorded in the linked text fields.
Legal-record notes and indicators
Original wording and raw source values are not adjudicated findings or lifetime verdicts.
- Annual legal-record indicator
- 0 · Later annual personnel extract · Source label: “Any criminal record (1=yes)”
- Additional annual legal-record code (meaning unverified)
- 0 · Later annual personnel extract · AH 1325–1326
Legal wording and source descriptions
Annual legal-record indicator
Later annual personnel extract
- Recorded annual value 0 · AH 1325–1326 · Source label: “Any criminal record (1=yes)”
Meaning is shown only where the source provides a verified annual label; it applies to these annual entries, not a lifetime verdict.
Earlier annual personnel legal-record field A (meaning unverified)
Earlier annual personnel extract (original copy)
- Recorded code 0 · Stored source-year values: 1325–1326 (calendar unverified)
Earlier annual personnel legal-record field B (meaning unverified)
Earlier annual personnel extract (original copy)
- Recorded code 0 · Stored source-year values: 1325–1326 (calendar unverified)
Earlier annual personnel legal-record field C (meaning unverified)
Earlier annual personnel extract (original copy)
- Recorded code 0 · Stored source-year values: 1325–1326 (calendar unverified)
Earlier annual personnel legal-record code field (meaning unverified)
Earlier annual personnel extract (original copy)
- Recorded code 0 · AH 1325–1326
Earlier annual personnel legal-record field D (meaning unverified)
Earlier annual personnel extract (original copy)
- Recorded code 0 · Stored source-year values: 1325–1326 (calendar unverified)
Earlier annual personnel legal-record field E (meaning unverified)
Earlier annual personnel extract (original copy)
- Recorded code 0 · Stored source-year values: 1325–1326 (calendar unverified)
Earlier annual personnel legal-record field F (meaning unverified)
Earlier annual personnel extract (original copy)
- Recorded code 0 · AH 1325–1326
Parallel earlier annual personnel legal-record code field (meaning unverified)
Earlier annual personnel extract (parallel copy)
- Recorded code 0 · AH 1325–1326
Parallel earlier annual personnel legal-record field F (meaning unverified)
Earlier annual personnel extract (parallel copy)
- Recorded code 0 · AH 1325–1326
Additional annual legal-record code (meaning unverified)
Later annual personnel extract
- Recorded code 0 · AH 1325–1326
Occupational personnel legal-record code field (meaning unverified)
Occupational-record extract
- Recorded code 0 · AH 1325–1326
Occupational personnel legal-record field F (meaning unverified)
Occupational-record extract
- Recorded code 0 · AH 1325–1326
Rank and honour codes
Original values across linked assertions, including zero; meanings are unverified. No grade, count or award status is inferred.
No honour or rank code assertion is linked in these additional sources.
Preparation
- School / programme
- idadi Mektebi
- Schooling duration
- 9 source-recorded years
- Apprenticeship
- 1 source-recorded year
- Qualification indicator
- 1
- Telegraph school indicator
- 0
- Father’s occupation
- Ketebe
- Recorded birth year
- AH 1303
- Religion wording
- Musluman
- Nationality wording
- Turkish
Schooling years are a duration/classification, not an acquisition date. Education and training dates await source-linked structured records; no dates are inferred here. No completion date is inferred from a schooling duration.
First-work and entry-pay fields
- First-work source date
- AH 1324 · 1906 label
- Place
- istanbul
- First-salary field
- 240 kuruş
- Personnel record
- Recovered annual personnel extract
The first-work date may concern apprenticeship, paid instruction or earlier state service. The first-salary amount is a separate inherited field; their presence together does not prove that payment began on this date. Neither is the first positive annual salary observation.
Recorded language repertoire
3 fields contain historical terms.
- Turkish
- Kitabet (writing)
- French
- Kitabet (writing)
- Armenian
- Kitabet (writing)
Only recorded terms are shown. Omitted language fields mean not recorded; they do not establish that the official lacked a language. Original competency wording is preserved; Kitabet (writing), Tekellum (speaking) and Asina (familiarity) are cautious historical glosses, not modern proficiency levels. Workbook language notes remain separately source-linked in the additional evidence. Read the terminology note.
Additional source evidence
Occupation wording, status assertions and original records
Occupation wording and source categories
Recorded occupation category
- Communication and Telegraph
Earlier annual title wording
- Muhabere Memuru
All additional source assertions, language notes and original codes
Additional source edition: ottoman-bureaucracy-enrichment-edcc450f53e488f7. This is separate from the annual data edition.
Download the complete additional source record (JSON)
| Recorded field | Original value | Source description and year |
|---|---|---|
| Recorded occupation categoryRecorded source assertion | Communication and Telegraph | Occupational-record extract Associated source-year values: 1325–1326 |
| Earlier annual title wordingRecorded source assertion | Muhabere Memuru | Earlier annual personnel extract (original copy) Associated source-year values: 1325–1326 |
| Earlier annual title wordingRecorded source assertion | Muhabere Memuru | Earlier annual personnel extract (parallel copy) Associated source-year values: 1325–1326 |
| Annual legal-record indicator (1 labelled yes)Annual indicator; not a lifetime verdict | 0 | Later annual personnel extract AH 1325 |
| Annual legal-record indicator (1 labelled yes)Annual indicator; not a lifetime verdict | 0 | Later annual personnel extract AH 1326 |
| Recorded source fieldRecorded source assertion | 0 | Earlier annual personnel extract (original copy) Recorded year value: 1325 (calendar unverified) |
| Recorded source fieldRecorded source assertion | 0 | Earlier annual personnel extract (original copy) Recorded year value: 1326 (calendar unverified) |
| Recorded source fieldRecorded source assertion | 0 | Earlier annual personnel extract (original copy) Recorded year value: 1325 (calendar unverified) |
| Recorded source fieldRecorded source assertion | 0 | Earlier annual personnel extract (original copy) Recorded year value: 1326 (calendar unverified) |
| Recorded source fieldRecorded source assertion | 0 | Earlier annual personnel extract (original copy) Recorded year value: 1325 (calendar unverified) |
| Recorded source fieldRecorded source assertion | 0 | Earlier annual personnel extract (original copy) Recorded year value: 1326 (calendar unverified) |
| Legal-record code (meaning unverified)Recorded source assertion | 0 | Earlier annual personnel extract (original copy) AH 1325 |
| Legal-record code (meaning unverified)Recorded source assertion | 0 | Earlier annual personnel extract (original copy) AH 1326 |
| Recorded source fieldRecorded source assertion | 0 | Earlier annual personnel extract (original copy) Recorded year value: 1325 (calendar unverified) |
| Recorded source fieldRecorded source assertion | 0 | Earlier annual personnel extract (original copy) Recorded year value: 1326 (calendar unverified) |
| Recorded source fieldRecorded source assertion | 0 | Earlier annual personnel extract (original copy) Recorded year value: 1325 (calendar unverified) |
| Recorded source fieldRecorded source assertion | 0 | Earlier annual personnel extract (original copy) Recorded year value: 1326 (calendar unverified) |
| Legal-record code (meaning unverified)Recorded source assertion | 0 | Earlier annual personnel extract (original copy) AH 1325 |
| Legal-record code (meaning unverified)Recorded source assertion | 0 | Earlier annual personnel extract (original copy) AH 1326 |
| Legal-record code (meaning unverified)Recorded source assertion | 0 | Earlier annual personnel extract (parallel copy) AH 1325 |
| Legal-record code (meaning unverified)Recorded source assertion | 0 | Earlier annual personnel extract (parallel copy) AH 1326 |
| Legal-record code (meaning unverified)Recorded source assertion | 0 | Earlier annual personnel extract (parallel copy) AH 1325 |
| Legal-record code (meaning unverified)Recorded source assertion | 0 | Earlier annual personnel extract (parallel copy) AH 1326 |
| Additional annual personnel level code (meaning unverified)Recorded source assertion | 0 | Later annual personnel extract AH 1325 |
| Additional annual personnel level code (meaning unverified)Recorded source assertion | 0 | Later annual personnel extract AH 1326 |
| Occupational-extract legal-record code (meaning unverified)Recorded source assertion | 0 | Occupational-record extract AH 1325 |
| Occupational-extract legal-record code (meaning unverified)Recorded source assertion | 0 | Occupational-record extract AH 1326 |
| Legal-record code (meaning unverified)Recorded source assertion | 0 | Occupational-record extract AH 1325 |
| Legal-record code (meaning unverified)Recorded source assertion | 0 | Occupational-record extract AH 1326 |
Read the complete annual source table
Every displayed annual entry, in source / Hijri-year order. This table is the accessible alternative to the connected timeline and charts.
| Source year | Gregorian label | Title | Locality wording | Monthly kuruş | Archival reference |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1907 | Muhabere MemuruRecorded wording: muhabere memuru | yalova | 240 | 151-214-423 Recovered annual personnel extract | |
| Not recorded | muhabere memuru | yalova | 240 | 151-214-423 Recovered annual personnel extract |
Evidence & edition
Personnel records and their differences
How to read the dates, birth-year differences and salaries
AH years are the ordering clock. Birth-year differences subtract uncontested AH birth and event year numbers; they are not exact ages or birthdays. Separately recorded first-job age fields can use a different or unresolved convention and are not substituted into this calculation. Gregorian years are stored dataset labels. The first-work field may concern apprenticeship, paid instruction or earlier state service, and does not establish the beginning of PT service.
Salaries are monthly nominal assigned amounts, not confirmed cash disbursements. Differences between annual entries are not dated promotions or transfers.
Collection membership
- Website edition
- Current collective-biography edition
- Personnel records
- Earlier annual personnel extract; Personnel attributes extract; Recovered annual personnel extract
- Annual display source
- Recovered annual personnel extract
- Paper sample
- Outside the paper sample
- Other archival labels
- No different label recorded
- Geography
- Recorded place assertions; map linkage is separately reported
How to read this dossier
The website joins the exact archival identity across editions. Names are attributes and never merge records. No annual gap is filled from another extract. Geographic alternatives, missing values and differences remain evidence rather than silent corrections.
| Field | Source alternatives | Display rule |
|---|---|---|
| Recorded apprenticeship duration | 1 Archival reference 151-214-423 · Recovered annual personnel extract 0 Archival reference 151-214-423 · Recovered annual personnel extract 1 Archival reference 151-214-423 · Personnel attributes extract 1 Archival reference 151-214-423 · Personnel attributes extract 1 Archival reference 151-214-423 · Earlier annual personnel extract | Source alternatives are preserved. The displayed value follows the selected personnel record. |
Recorded values and source alternatives (88)
| Field | Original stored value | Personnel record |
|---|---|---|
| Recorded birth year (AH) | 1303 | Archival reference 151-214-423 Recovered annual personnel extract |
| Recorded birthplace | dersaadet | Archival reference 151-214-423 Recovered annual personnel extract |
| Recorded birthplace | dersaadet | Archival reference 151-214-423 Recovered annual personnel extract |
| Recorded birthplace province | dersaadet | Archival reference 151-214-423 Recovered annual personnel extract |
| Recorded school or programme | idadi Mektebi | Archival reference 151-214-423 Recovered annual personnel extract |
| Recorded school or programme | idadi mektebi | Archival reference 151-214-423 Recovered annual personnel extract |
| Recorded schooling duration | 9 | Archival reference 151-214-423 Recovered annual personnel extract |
| Recorded schooling duration | 9 | Archival reference 151-214-423 Recovered annual personnel extract |
| Recorded apprenticeship duration | 1 | Archival reference 151-214-423 Recovered annual personnel extract |
| Recorded apprenticeship duration | 0 | Archival reference 151-214-423 Recovered annual personnel extract |
| Recorded qualification field | 1 | Archival reference 151-214-423 Recovered annual personnel extract |
| Derived qualification indicator | 1 | Archival reference 151-214-423 Recovered annual personnel extract |
| Recorded telegraph-school field | 0 | Archival reference 151-214-423 Recovered annual personnel extract |
| Recorded religion wording | Musluman | Archival reference 151-214-423 Recovered annual personnel extract |
| Recorded religion wording | musluman | Archival reference 151-214-423 Recovered annual personnel extract |
| Recorded nationality wording | Turkish | Archival reference 151-214-423 Recovered annual personnel extract |
| Recorded nationality wording | turkish | Archival reference 151-214-423 Recovered annual personnel extract |
| Recorded father’s occupation | Ketebe | Archival reference 151-214-423 Recovered annual personnel extract |
| Recorded father’s occupation | ketebe | Archival reference 151-214-423 Recovered annual personnel extract |
| Recorded first-work year (AH) | 1324 | Archival reference 151-214-423 Recovered annual personnel extract |
| Stored first-work year label | 1906 | Archival reference 151-214-423 Recovered annual personnel extract |
| Recorded first-work locality | istanbul | Archival reference 151-214-423 Recovered annual personnel extract |
| Recorded first-work salary field | 240 | Archival reference 151-214-423 Recovered annual personnel extract |
| Recorded birthplace latitude | 41.08488985821407 | Archival reference 151-214-423 Recovered annual personnel extract |
| Recorded birthplace longitude | 29.056960217582365 | Archival reference 151-214-423 Recovered annual personnel extract |
| Recorded name | Ali Saib Efendi | Archival reference 151-214-423 Personnel attributes extract |
| Recorded birth year (AH) | 1303 | Archival reference 151-214-423 Personnel attributes extract |
| Recorded birthplace | dersaadet | Archival reference 151-214-423 Personnel attributes extract |
| Recorded birthplace province | dersaadet | Archival reference 151-214-423 Personnel attributes extract |
| Recorded school or programme | idadi mektebi | Archival reference 151-214-423 Personnel attributes extract |
| Recorded schooling duration | 9 | Archival reference 151-214-423 Personnel attributes extract |
| Recorded apprenticeship duration | 1 | Archival reference 151-214-423 Personnel attributes extract |
| Recorded apprenticeship duration | 1 | Archival reference 151-214-423 Personnel attributes extract |
| Recorded qualification field | 1 | Archival reference 151-214-423 Personnel attributes extract |
| Recorded telegraph-school field | 0 | Archival reference 151-214-423 Personnel attributes extract |
| Recorded religion wording | musluman | Archival reference 151-214-423 Personnel attributes extract |
| Recorded nationality wording | turkish | Archival reference 151-214-423 Personnel attributes extract |
| Recorded father’s occupation | ketebe | Archival reference 151-214-423 Personnel attributes extract |
| Recorded first-work year (AH) | 1324 | Archival reference 151-214-423 Personnel attributes extract |
| Recorded first-work locality | istanbul | Archival reference 151-214-423 Personnel attributes extract |
| Recorded first-work salary field | 240 | Archival reference 151-214-423 Personnel attributes extract |
| Recorded birthplace latitude | 41.08488985821407 | Archival reference 151-214-423 Personnel attributes extract |
| Recorded birthplace longitude | 29.056960217582365 | Archival reference 151-214-423 Personnel attributes extract |
| Recorded language field: Turkish | Kitabet | Archival reference 151-214-423 Personnel attributes extract |
| Recorded language field: Turkish | 3 | Archival reference 151-214-423 Personnel attributes extract |
| Recorded language field: Arabic | 0 | Archival reference 151-214-423 Personnel attributes extract |
| Recorded language field: French | Kitabet | Archival reference 151-214-423 Personnel attributes extract |
| Recorded language field: French | 2 | Archival reference 151-214-423 Personnel attributes extract |
| Recorded language field: Persian | 0 | Archival reference 151-214-423 Personnel attributes extract |
| Recorded language field: English | 0 | Archival reference 151-214-423 Personnel attributes extract |
| Recorded language field: Italian | 0 | Archival reference 151-214-423 Personnel attributes extract |
| Recorded language field: Armenian | Kitabet | Archival reference 151-214-423 Personnel attributes extract |
| Recorded language field: Armenian | 2 | Archival reference 151-214-423 Personnel attributes extract |
| Recorded language field: Greek | 0 | Archival reference 151-214-423 Personnel attributes extract |
| Recorded language field: Rum | 0 | Archival reference 151-214-423 Personnel attributes extract |
| Recorded language field: Bulgarian | 0 | Archival reference 151-214-423 Personnel attributes extract |
| Recorded language field: Russian | 0 | Archival reference 151-214-423 Personnel attributes extract |
| Recorded name | Ali Saib Efendi | Archival reference 151-214-423 Earlier annual personnel extract |
| Recorded birth year (AH) | 1303 | Archival reference 151-214-423 Earlier annual personnel extract |
| Recorded birthplace | dersaadet | Archival reference 151-214-423 Earlier annual personnel extract |
| Recorded birthplace province | dersaadet | Archival reference 151-214-423 Earlier annual personnel extract |
| Recorded school or programme | idadi mektebi | Archival reference 151-214-423 Earlier annual personnel extract |
| Recorded schooling duration | 9 | Archival reference 151-214-423 Earlier annual personnel extract |
| Recorded apprenticeship duration | 1 | Archival reference 151-214-423 Earlier annual personnel extract |
| Recorded qualification field | 1 | Archival reference 151-214-423 Earlier annual personnel extract |
| Recorded telegraph-school field | 0 | Archival reference 151-214-423 Earlier annual personnel extract |
| Recorded religion wording | musluman | Archival reference 151-214-423 Earlier annual personnel extract |
| Recorded nationality wording | turkish | Archival reference 151-214-423 Earlier annual personnel extract |
| Recorded father’s occupation | ketebe | Archival reference 151-214-423 Earlier annual personnel extract |
| Recorded first-work year (AH) | 1324 | Archival reference 151-214-423 Earlier annual personnel extract |
| Recorded first-work locality | istanbul | Archival reference 151-214-423 Earlier annual personnel extract |
| Recorded first-work salary field | 240 | Archival reference 151-214-423 Earlier annual personnel extract |
| Recorded birthplace latitude | 41.08488985821407 | Archival reference 151-214-423 Earlier annual personnel extract |
| Recorded birthplace longitude | 29.056960217582365 | Archival reference 151-214-423 Earlier annual personnel extract |
| Recorded language field: Turkish | Kitabet | Archival reference 151-214-423 Earlier annual personnel extract |
| Recorded language field: Turkish | 3 | Archival reference 151-214-423 Earlier annual personnel extract |
| Recorded language field: Arabic | 0 | Archival reference 151-214-423 Earlier annual personnel extract |
| Recorded language field: French | Kitabet | Archival reference 151-214-423 Earlier annual personnel extract |
| Recorded language field: French | 2 | Archival reference 151-214-423 Earlier annual personnel extract |
| Recorded language field: Persian | 0 | Archival reference 151-214-423 Earlier annual personnel extract |
| Recorded language field: English | 0 | Archival reference 151-214-423 Earlier annual personnel extract |
| Recorded language field: Italian | 0 | Archival reference 151-214-423 Earlier annual personnel extract |
| Recorded language field: Armenian | Kitabet | Archival reference 151-214-423 Earlier annual personnel extract |
| Recorded language field: Armenian | 2 | Archival reference 151-214-423 Earlier annual personnel extract |
| Recorded language field: Greek | 0 | Archival reference 151-214-423 Earlier annual personnel extract |
| Recorded language field: Rum | 0 | Archival reference 151-214-423 Earlier annual personnel extract |
| Recorded language field: Bulgarian | 0 | Archival reference 151-214-423 Earlier annual personnel extract |
| Recorded language field: Russian | 0 | Archival reference 151-214-423 Earlier annual personnel extract |
Original recorded values
BOA, DH.SAİD, Sicill-i Ahvâl Defterleri, Dahiliye Nezâreti. Archival reference: 151-214-423. Personnel records coded by Akyıldız (2024), Marmara University thesis; original wording and differing assertions are retained.
Cite this record
Fatih Kansoy, Ottoman Bureaucracy, “Ali Saib Efendi”. BOA, DH.SAİD, Sicill-i Ahvâl Defterleri, Dahiliye Nezâreti. Archival reference as recorded: 151-214-423. Collection identification and coded personnel records: Akyıldız (2024), Marmara University thesis. Annual edition: ottoman-bureaucracy-2026-10-11-v1-84d4f7f2230a; additional source edition: ottoman-bureaucracy-enrichment-edcc450f53e488f7. https://ottomanbureaucracy.com/people/p-342418e7c88c179c/
BOA, DH.SAİD, Sicill-i Ahvâl Defterleri, Dahiliye Nezâreti. Archival reference as recorded: 151-214-423
Collection identification and coded personnel records: Akyıldız (2024), Marmara University thesis.
Stable archival reference: 151-214-423. The edition identifies the data build separately from the stable person address. Historical records may be revised in a later edition.